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senator harry reid the pork-filled omnibus bill if the floor of the senate that means the controversial piece of legislation is now dead. major whip for senate republicans. the house is expected to vote on extending the bush tax cuts. it has been a rollercoaster day for democrats. a number of road blocks thanks to some on the left who attempted to derail the so-called compromise. illinois congressman told fox news, my brain is going to blow up after this he apparently was not alone. oregon representative who is behind much of the opposition of this bill joined the chorus as well. >> my brain is fried, sorry. >> sean: liberal democrats agree with the anointed one-on-one thing the fate of his presidency rests with this deal. last night defazio said the president is making calls saying this is the end of his presidency if he does not get this bad deal. this is potentially the end of possibility of him getting elected if he gets this deal. on one hand he is telling democrats his presidency rests on the -- aoelt -- either way mr. president, your future does not look bright in christmas seaso
and harry reid is forced to pull his pork-laden 1.2 trillion dollar spending blowout. is there a victory for the g.o.p. in the 112th congress? . naturally colorful vegetables are often a good source of vitamins, fiber, or minerals. and who brings you more natural colors than campbell's condensed soups? campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™ yeah. aww...that oj needs alka-seltzer plus. fast powder packs are a taste-free fizz-free way to transform your drink into a powerl cold fighter! there's a cold front moving in, but relief is on the way. >> well, call it a pre-christmas miracle, a tax and spend reversal the lucas of which are rarely seen on capitol hill. senate majority leader harry reid was forced to pull his pork-laden 2000 page, 1.2 trillion dollar spending bill and just hours later the house voted to extend the bush era tax rates for all income levels. could things be changing in washington? joining the panel this week, dan ettinger, editorial page writer, joe rago and kim strassel. i thought i'd seen everything in politics, i've been around long enough to have seen lots
against harry reid, sharon engel, martha coakley, whatever. sharon engel. my bad. with two r's. and ran against harry reid and harry reid was given up for dead and she made possible for him to win his race. thank you, sharon. >> i am going to give this to the entire democratic party. because in defiance of the american people, they rammed through a number of big government, big spending, high tax, anti-growth poli >> tough competition. among several people. snapped by the jaws of victory. paladino as well. he really, every time he opened his mouth, it got worse and worse for him but he rest of us >> worst politician, mike castle of delaware. the ultimate sore loser. a career politician, who ran for the republican senate nomination, against a nov is, christine o'donnell. o'donnell won. get this. castle then refused to endorse o'donnell, the party's nominee. he denounced her to the press. mike castle, worst politician of 2010. okay. most defining political moment. pat? >> bp oil spill in the gulf of mexico. which became barack obama's katrina moment. and brought him down to a point, when
one, it used to be news of harry reid planning to do something, planning to outmaneuver republicans in the senate was greeted with smirks and dismissiveness. after this lame duck congress where the senate passed all these things everybody said could not be passed, nobody is smirking and dismissive about harry reid anymore. greg sergeant at the washington post said harry reid is in active discussions with other senate democrats about how they're going to fix the senate when they return in january. they're going to change the rules, quote, they are already talking it through and devising a plan. that story before the raging duck, angry birds congress would have been poo-poo'd so much before. but now after what harry reid pulled off in the senate in the lame duck congress, this reporting he has a plan to fix the senate, he has a plan to change the rules, which is a simple thing to do, within his power to do, this is not being treated as a joke, nor do i think it is a joke. so that's one thing that's changed. harry reid saying he is capable of doing this and wants to do it is a big deal
on the wrangling over the tax deal and a little piece of legislation that might be attached to it. harry reid doubling down, trying to force a bill to legalize online poker on to a legislative plate he already says is overflowing. four years ago he was against it, now he's for it. so what happened? and tonight, did you know congress's incoming head of financial oversight, the guy who is supposed to be protecting you against big banks and credit card companies? turns out he's the biggest recipient of money from the financial industry. is that a conflict? we're keeping them honest. we begin as always, keeping them honest, with the dramatic vote on and likely death of the bill that would repeal don't ask, don't tell. it was dramatic because there are 60 senators who say they want to repeal don't ask, don't tell. and 60 is the number needed on a procedural vote like this. so why did it die today? well, in a word, politics. >> the yeas are 57, the nays are 40. three fifths of senators duly sworn not having voted in the affirmative, the motion is not agreed to. >> that's the motion to begin debate
of these -- and by the way unsung hero in all of this, i would argue, was kind of shocked when harry reid brought up don't ask, don't tell. but they got both. gwen: conventional wisdom, even a week ago, was that the president was kind of overreaching on all of this. >> yes, it was. you have to give him credit and gloria is right and give the vice president credit and harry reid in the way he managed the last days of that lame duck session. here we are -- some historians say the most productive congress in half a century and a congress that was voted out by the american people. gwen: maybe there is a connection. >> odd ending to this remarkable year. gwen: is that what it is, susan, they came back and the president said, what the heck, get some things done. >> that is part of it. there is a correlation between being successful and being rejected. i don't think anyone dispute that this was one of the most ficttive congresses in terms of congress. and in 1966, democrats lost 50 seats. in 2010, democrats lost 63 seats. i talked to a member of congress -- the thing that is interesting about democrats on capi
harry reid's christianity suggesting he's blasphemo blasphemous. i remember we were voting on impeachment on december 19th or 20th back in 1999. no one was throwing baby jesus under the bus that year. >> in britain there used to be a he would say pass the sick bag, alice. it is absolutely right. pass the sick bag. how do you get that out of your mouth? i just don't know. what mike said is absolutely right. anyone looking at what's going on will say these people are privilege laos, they don't understand. talking about fiddling while rome burns. >> the same applies to the s.t.a.r.t. treaty which they just need to read, not on the floor. >> willie, i don't usually say this, but i do think that senator demint who i know and like and respect and jon kyle owe harry reid an after polling. i will say there. i will go there. it is unchrist-like to judge another man's faith in the way they have judged harry reid's faith, a devout mormon, a devout christian. there is nothing biblical ability that. nothing. >> this rises to the level of self parody. if stephen colbert didn't already te
leader harry reid scheduled a vote to end senate debate on this finish for tomorrow. that means 60 votes for passage, which appears to be a given. the uncertainty, however, is the ratification vote, which needs 67 votes, and that means votes from at least nine republicans. you can count against senate minority leader mitch mcconnell being one of the nine republican votes as you heard. the white house says it wasn't expecting mcconnell's vote, however. democrats still believe they can get these 67 votes for ratification but it won't be easy. in addition to work on the new start treaty, the senate will be taking action on the health care legislation for 9/11 first responders, as well as action on the continuing resolution. i know that's washington speak to keep the government in operation until march. back to you, savannah. >> but we're all familiar with it now. nbc news deputy political director mark murray, thank you. overseas, tensions in the korean peninsula are on the rise again. south korea holding live military drill this is morning. jim miklaszewski, is there any reaction from the
? basically trying to make the sounds that would actually help empower harry reid and the democrats in the senate to get a slightly better deal as the bill was moving toward passage in the senate? >> lawrence, i'm not sure what the motivations were that were -- that was the motivation. people on my side of the aisle in the house are frustrated. they didn't like the process, they didn't like the final outcome, they didn't like the compromise. i did -- and i think for the people i represent and the people of the state of nevada, this is the way you balance it, it's a far better deal than we would have if we don't have anything at all. i'm all for it, and i'm all in, and i'm going to do everything i can to see that the house votes the senate version an we get this thing done. i can't imagine starting next year if we don't do this, what's going to happen to the people that i represent. >> when you speak to the people you represent over the holidays, and some of them, obama voters are discouraged by what they think is an obama defeat in giving up on this top tax bracket in this negotiati
lindsey graham worried. >> when is it all going to be said and done? harry reid has eaten our lunch. >> what about president obama's critics on the left? are they finally ready to join their president on his victory lap? joining me now are jane hampshire founder of firedoglake.com. roger hodge, author of "the mendacity of hope." richard wolf, the arthur of "revival" and ezra klein columnist for "the washington post." roger hodge, you are the president's staunchest critic on the left. is there anything that's happened in the lame duck session that has in anyway tilted you in a more positive direction toward president barack obama? >> not reilly. i think that the repeal of don't ask don't tell is a major step forward. that's a wonderful victory for the american people for civil rights, it's a great thing. everyone who was involved with that should be commended. even joe lieberman. and -- but this is not necessarily a major change in the obama administration. the obama administration is working with republicans, and that's not surprising. the obama administration has a lot in common wi
on harry reid. one who add va indicates armed insurrection and isn't afraid to tell a group of asian students to look asian. she wants to answer oh so they report the news she wants them to was surprising in an interview with keith olbermann. on thursday we look back at the exclusive one on one and by exclusive, i mean we just made it up. >> sharron angle, republican senate candidate from nevada you are a big sport for joining us here. >> well, first of all, neil, it's great to be here to talk about this campaign. >> let's start with the remarks you made to carl cameron from fox. i was thinking he may have missed what you meant that interviews are for letting voters see how you handle yourself on the fly, under pressure. that's the point of an interview, right, for the voters? >> the whole point of an interview is to use it like they say earned media, to earn something with it. i'm not going to earn anything from people who are there to badger me and batter, you know, use my words to batter me with. >> and that would explain why you have been doing interviews with fox rather than int
's, of course, harry reid at the group there joining them. it's quite an assembly. i bring in mark whitaker right now. this is a happy day for a lot of people. i think, dare i say, politics plays a role here? there are a lot of gay americans, there are a lot of gay american families, friends of gays, people are supportive of gay rights, the whole liberal coalition, of course, across the country that supports this. >> you know, when you look at this from an historical point of view, it seems inevitable, it was a civil rights issue whose time had come. but from a washington point of view, this was not inevitable at all. it took a lot of legislative strategy. steny hoyer up there was the point man in ke siding to take this measure out of the authorization bill when fundamentally it was not going to go forward, making it stand alone. fast-tracking it through the house. getting a quick vote in the senate. now, everybody's rallying around and claiming -- >> wow. >> -- ownership and fatherhood of this thing. but this is really a triumph both of -- it's a historical moment, but it's also a moment w
there hate this holiday. like senate majority leader harry reid, aka the albino ray sin w raison who stole christmas. >>> the tax cut is law. the drama on capitol hill is by no means over. the focus is turning back to the senate where lawmakers are debating s.t.a.r.t. today and will be coming in for a rare saturday session to take up don't ask, don't tell and dream act. democrats are scrambling after republicans outplayed them on the omnibus spending bill. news correspondent and nbc's capitol hill correspondent luke russert is joining her. we've got both sides of the hill covered. kelly, first to you. what happened last night with the omnibus spending bill? >> harry reid thought he had agreements privately with enough republicans to pass the 1$1.1 trillion bill which would fund the agencies of government through the whole fiscal year. it was a very biggs project. something they worked on for other than a year and also inclusive for 6400 earmarks and many defend them as important. so he thought he had the votes. well, mitch mcconnell had been working his side very hard and it turns out they
conversation with harry reid, we learned this -- >> i had dinner with rand paul, and i find him to be a very, very sincere person. i think that he is not going to be the flame-thrower that people think he is. >> leader reid talked strategy for deficit reduction and one of the biggest slash points of the coming year. so why is the right so disappointed this year, and are there clues in the disappointment of how washington will look and work in january. erick erickson is the editor of the con ser vative site avalon.com, and kor dell boettcher. and i want to get to the grumbling, because you write this on redstate.com, from "don't ask, don't tell" repeals to s.t.a.r.t. and you name it, it was a party of capitulation, and it was about moving the senate gop right, and not moving the senate to the gop. this past week makes my case for me. you say that it is fighting except in odd circumstances, and it understands that mike lee, ranld paul, ron johnson and pat toomey and marco rubio are headed for the senate reins forments for jim demint. you think that the heart and soul will carry over into janua
senate majority leader harry reid. the letter saying if we don't get our way on tax cuts for income over $250,000 a year, we will filibuster everything in the senate. in the original legalese from the document "we will not agree to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed on any legislative item." forgive me, but republicans have not greed to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed on any legislative item in four years. since 2007. this is not new, and this is not news. republicans filibustered the stimulus bill, they filibustered all the different parts of the health reform bill. they filibustered wall street reform, filibustered stuff they have agreed with. they have filibustered the food safety bill. they're so used to filibustering stuff they filibustered that one before 15 of them voted for it anyway. they filibuster bills they agree with now. they filibuster bills they disagree, they filibuster all regular business of the senate. if there was a resolution tomorrow morning to say good morning, mitch mcconnell, it's nice to see you, they would filibuster that. over the last four years
the lame duck democratic game, the senate majority leader harry reid, chooses diplomacy over gloating. >> let's not talk about harry reid eating their lunch. what we were able to do together, very, very good things for our country. >> more of that conversation in a moment. also with the stroke of a pen today, the president made history. >> we are not a nation that says don't ask, don't tell. we are a nation that says out of many, we are one. >> is this big shift just related to gays in the military or is the next battleground same-sex marriage? that conversation ahead. the president also worked on a year-end press conference before heading to hawaii tonight. part victory lap, part tone setter for next year when more republican power will make his life more complicated. >> if there's any lesson to draw from these past few weeks, it's that we are not doomed to endless gridlock. we've shown in the wake of the november elections we have the capacity not only to make progress but to make progress together. >> really? really? well, bipartisanship carry over to a new year that includes a new
passees the tax cut deal and harry reid has to pullg his spending monster in the face of defeat. could things be changing inwashn washington? pad governors wage war as benefits threaten to bankruptpe struggling statements. >> welcome to the "journaleportm editorial report." a virginia law required that the linchpin that americans purchase insurance or pay a penalty is unconstitutional. a federal district court judge henry hudson declared that the s,-called individual mandate wa exceeds the authority granted ts congress under the commerce clause. the virginia ruling comes theo deme week as another legalun challenge gets underway inrce ic florida. an more than 20 state attorneys general are suing in federal court there, where oral arguments were heard on nerals thursday. attorney david ripken is the nsgal counsel in that suit and u joins me now. joi book to the program. ou here.d to have y >> a pleasure. >> let's talk about the virginia case first. aut how significant is it from your point of view that a judgew tha struck down the individualstru mandate? mandate?very significant. it's a
. the attacks against senator harry reid's religion for suggesting the senate work through the christmas week might be backfiring. even some fellow republicans say the majority leader is owed an apology. senator michael bennett joins me. and later, how just a small donation from you can have a huge impact on schoolchildren in africa. tonight, how my trip to malawi far exceeded my expectations, and how you can be a part of that success. my doctor said most calcium supplements... aren't absorbed properly unless taken with food. he recommended citracal. it's different -- it's calcium citrate, so it can be absorbed with or without food. also available in small, easy-to-swallow petites. citracal. >>> the republicans are blocking everything they can in the senate. so now that majority leader harry reid is tletdenning ing atening to take away their christmas vacation to get work done, now some are questioning his religion. and my trip to malawi and what we can do to help young students there. and also, a conversation with writer nora effron ahead. u are . executor of efficiency. you can spot an amat
, senate majority leader harry reid abandoning this trillion dollars spending bill late last night in the senate. it was packed full of earmarks from both democrats and republicans. the decision getting mixed reaction on the floor. senator john mccain has the gavel. you hear mark kirk, the republican, newly elected from illinois, in the background, and then the democrat from missouri, claire mccaskill on this. listen: >> just as the most junior member for those who are not understanding just what happened, did we just win? >> i think there's very little doubt that the majority leader of the united states senate would not have taken the action he just took if we didn't have 41 votes to stop this monstrocity. i don't think there's any doubt about it. >> so for economic conservatives, a 1924-page bill just died. >> 1924-page bill just died. >> and 6000 earmarks will not now move forward. >> yes, and i feel badly about some of those earmarks because i had so much fun with them! >> they should have said before this bill ever came to the floor and they were asked would you like your earm
majority leader harry reid just polled the omnibus spending bill that would have funded the government for the next calendar year. this leaves the government technically speaking without any funding. reid said nine republicans, complaining about earmarks, some marked by republicans, that reneged on their commitments to support that omnibus. the house on the road to ramming through a trillion dollars in tax cuts that our kids will have to pay for. democrats battling republicans, battling democrats. in the final days of the 111th congress. we begin with $858 billion in tax cuts expected to pass the house tonight. debate beginning hours after how house leadership would give progressive democrats their opportunity to open the bill and force the new version back to the senate. originally pelosi planned to bring two versions to the floor. the one passeded by the senate the and another with a higher estate tax. progressives wanted to vote the for a higher estate tax without going on record for the bush tax cuts for the wealthy as well. pelosi predicting the vote would come tonight. house memb
the earmarks in it. harry reid can wave the copy of the constitution. mitch mcconnell can defend him or not defend him. because the republican leadership was blind-sided by tea party anger about the tax bill, they were determined to get out ahead of this. mitch mcconnell who could have cut a deal with harry reid couldn't deliver the votes this time. reid said the nine republicans who promised to vote in a way which allowed that omnibus bill which contained the democrats' priorities for this year's spending, they had to pull it because they couldn't get the votes. all the talk about readings the bill on the floor is all out the window now. the tea party won this round. >> there were two options for mr. reid. he could have gone along with the temporary measure and handed this off to the 2011 senate and congress or said, there's no support. you're going to blink. we're not going to blink. we're going to let you shut it this down. don't democrats normally benefit from shutdowns? wasn't that turning the point against gingrich? >> it was the turning point against gingrich 15 years ago. i d
of maine, says it wouldn't be necessary if harry reid had given negotiators a bit more time before calling today's vote. >> there was the clear path forward to victory on this issue and to consideration of this bill and for the life of me, i cannot understand why the majority leader chose not to take it. >> the human rights campaign also questioned senator reid's tacti tactics. joe, i want to get to that point. susan collins, joe lieberman saying give us another day. we would have gotten you the 60 votes. why did harry reid not listen. your organization said, please let them figure this out. >> i was in a lot of those meetings and there was a path forward. there was absolutely a path forward. whether that was less acceptable to the democratic leadership or the republicans who support the merits of repeal, we're up to about five or six, is something they're going to argue about far long time. i think senator -- >> if senate reid let you county? >> down? i think everybody involved let the community down because the fact of the matter was there was a path forward and whether it was the white
. a complicated battle in the senate. harry reid opted instead of a bare bones cr similar to the house measure, a omnibus spending bill packed full of expenditures like millions for marijuana eradication and pacific salmon preservation efforts. >> i think that the people in the appropriations economy worked hard and we're going to move forward with that. the omnibus. >> backlash has been swift with a number of republicans publicly condemning the reid package. >> a 2,000-page massive spending bill right before christmas is more than my stocking will hold. >> a landmark vote on a nearly 2500-page healthcare bill, republicans have dÉjÀ vu. >> try to ram it through on christmas eve is inappropriate and i'm in opposition. >> ed white house had to answer questions about whether senators will be able to digest the bill before they must vote for against it. >> who is going to read that? >> i -- i was going to say, i noticed during the healthcare debate that was a big thing. i assume many members on capitol hill will. >> do you really? >> i mean i take them at their word. >> he'll get an assist from
't there as who was. no nance pelosi or no harry reid and no john boehner. but this was compromise. >> they are not pleased because it does things they fought against including extending the bush-era tax cuts for two years for all levels. that was the big sticking point for democrats. they did not want it extend for the top earners. >> and it cuts payroll taxes from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent for those who put in and the businesses will put in the higher, or matching portion. this is big. this is bottom line to people would earn a paycheck each day, that is spendable income, that will help the economy. >> everyone's paycheck goes up and it may take a few checks but everyone makes more money. what might spur some growth and investment, the last line of the graphic, the president talked about entrepreneurs. what they do is have some write offs for capital investment and software and equipment and hiring. what is new in this bill that will create jobs? we hope that is it. that last line is point, that coupled with the extension of the tax cuts, small businesses were waiting to see wha
that harry reid who was so pushing this $1.2 trillion spending bill on the heels of what the election results said in november, that people didn't want so much spending and decided to pull it. you know why, though? nine republicans who are originally on board suddenly got a wake-up call. maybe a call from mitch mcconnell saying hey, we shouldn't be supporting this thing. this is how harry reid set it up originally. he said it actually was the constitutional right of members of congress to spend your money. >> we have a constitutional duty to do congressionally directed spending and i don't want to give up that responsibility. i can't understand why some of the more conservative members here want to give up their power. i don't understand that. >> well, maybe you don't. we think judge andrew napolitano will be with us this hour to tell us whether or not harry reid is accurate in what he just said. you know what you really have to call this, what happened with this gigantic pork laden spending bill, this is the tea party takedown. this shows that the tea party, the impact of the tea party wil
on the holiday season, so today former boxer, harry reid took off of the gloves and i mean he threw a knockout punch. you're going to love this take. >>> welcome back to "the ed show" and thanks for watching tonight. the republicans, i guess you could say, they've been naughty all year long doing everything they can to stall and slow log bills in the senate. they're having a meltdown. because harry reid says their delayed tactics might mean that they might have to skip christmas vacations and come back to work. senator jim demint kicked off the whining in politico, saying, quote, what's going on here is just wrong. this is the most sacred holiday for christians. well, i think you could debate that, it could be easter. republican leaders followed suit. taking their war on christmas vacation onto the senate floor. >> it's completely and totally inappropriate to wrap all of this up into a 2,000-page bill and try to pass it the week before christmas. >> it is impossible to do all of the things that the majority leader laid out without doing, frankly without disrespecting the institution. and witho
that happens. >> chris: he blamed you for the filling buffer but your objection is harry reid but too many items on the agenda in the lame duck session and i want to play what you said and how one of the first responders, who now has cancer, reacted. let's watch. >> it is impossible to do all of the things the majority leader laid out. without doing frankly, without disrespecting the institution. and, without disrespecting one of the two holiest of holidays for christians. >>... you say you won't find a single new york city firefighter who considers it a sign of disrespect to work in the new york city fire house on christmas eve or christmas day. >> chris: senator, everyone, everyone praises the first responders as heros and you say you are skeptical about the bill. why not find a way to give these heros peace of mind when it comes to health care. >> first of all, they should have peace of mind when it comes to health care, the question is what and how and when you try to do it as you said, in your introduction, in a hurry, the lame duck session without a hearing, without understanding wha
huevel of the nation coming up. >>> harry reid threw a knockout punch today at some republicans who were whining about having to work around the holidays. this is why reid won in the state of nevada. i mean when it gets tough he knows how to fight. wait till you see the tape you're going to love it. >>> and the tea party indoctrination, well that is now in session. michele bachmann's the teacher and she's got a class full of extremist clowns to help educate the new members of congress. >>> and this just in, moments ago, don't ask, don't tell passed the house. you won't believe what some republicans on the floor were saying about gay americans. that's coming up. >>> but this is the story that has me fired up tonight. president obama is one step closer to having his $858 billion tax compromise with the republicans become the law of the land, and right now nancy pelosi is the only person in the world that can stop it. now earlier today the senate voted overwhelmingly to pass this package by a vote of 81-19. remember that number, 81. only 13 democrats, five republicans and bernie sanders vot
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way or the other about this compromise that was reached, even majority leader harry reid says he wants to take a very close look at t. wants to see some changes in it. twenty-eight democratic house members are against the obama compromise, including house speaker nancy pelosi, congressman barney frank and crist van hollen. karl rove they, author of "courage and consequence", former deputy adviser and chief of staff to president george w. bush and fox news contributor. karl, good morning to you. >> good morning, martha. martha: you have an op-ed that lays out the numbers in this. do you think the president can get the votes to pass this deal he made with republicans? >> yeah, he can. the question is will he. in the house of representatives, there are -- i've identified 50 democrats who are likely targets for them, 30 democrats signed a letter september 15th saying to speaker pelosi we shouldn't be raising any taxes when the economy is as weak as it is, there were 12 additional democrats who on december 2nd when we had this vote in the house on whether to extend only some of the tax cuts
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